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  • #16
    @linum, you are probably correct but when I worked on a sheep station it was quite common to see the rams try it on each other (no estrous cycle). If one of the rams " went down" my term he was a target for the rest to have ago. There may be need as well as pleasure to consider. The bono monkeys have random gender sex with each other to celebrate an abundant supply of food. Gender does not seem to matter! Also dolphins have celebratory sex after an abundant feed. They seem to want to celebrate. I just wonder if we over simplify the sex drive to reproduction as some of of our religions seem to want to do.
    The sheep dogs had a very human like expression on their faces when they were cumming!
    Well what I want to say is that this thread is very interesting and very helpful. I have been able to print the transcripts so I can work through them carefully. I especially like the fact is not moralizing. It is looking at moderation in a particularly helpful way that does not demonized masturbation or sexual enjoyment. In fact the reverse.

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    • #17
      Why do you assume that animals don't have sex for pleasure? Pleasure is nature's guarantee that species will reproduce. Of course they have sex for pleasure.

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      • #18
        I don't know about dolphins, but continual sexual receptivity is one of the primary hallmarks of what it is to be human, and bonobos. It is no accident that bonobos are also our closest living relative.

        LICNYCgay - why do you assume that I assume that sex for other animals doesn't involve pleasure?


        "When was the last time you heard of rat having sex for pleasure and not reproduction"?


        I suspect that since non-reproductive sex is a defining characteristic of what is to be human, there is a strong likelihood that our reactions to porn are at least as much a function of our enhanced need for more or less continual sexual stimulation, as it is for the our "need" to spread our genes around. Of course, there is plenty of human sex that has no reproductive benefits, and that was why I didn't like the parts of the video where gene replication was highlighted as the primary cause of sex. I don't think it was central to the main points of the video however, which is why I thought them very interesting overall.

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        • #19
          well, not sure that proves that they don't enjoy sex. just because reproduction is attached to it doesn't mean they don't enjoy it.

          My sister has 2 rather large male dogs. They're always mounting each other, and licking each other's and their own genitals. It's obviously they enjoy sexual stimulation.


          And your suspicions are correct about dolphins too. My husband worked for a dolphin facility for a time, as a guide. They were always sexing each other, mostly the 2 males sexing each other.


          It may be a very human-centric interpretation to believe that because other mammals have smaller brains, they don't seek pleasure.

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          • #20
            "well, not sure that proves that they don't enjoy sex. just because reproduction is attached to it doesn't mean they don't enjoy it"

            I wasn't trying to prove that. All I said in my original post was that it was "perhaps a bit too simplistic" to compare rat and monkey sex to human sex. You disagreed - that is your prerogative.


            Have a good day LICNYCgay

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            • #21
              There seems to be a fine line between the beginning of addiction and healthily helpful curiosity. In some ways written porn can be more subtly damaging because it engages the imagination which extends the printed word. Unrequited curiosity may create dysfunction particularly if it centers around the powerful sexual energy. The above mentioned talks I think are very useful. They act as a check on dependency and give a restorative program. I suppose each if us has to do a personal check to see if our sex habits are positive towards our daily life or not and whether we need explicit sexual videos to "get off" or whether we like erotic videos reminding us of what we once did, keeping us alive and interested in each other as the sun slowly sets. (A bit melodramatic)
              I appreciate the thread-still working on it.

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              • #22
                just reread what I wrote. I befuddled it. What I meant to say before my fingers went ahead of my brain or whatever, is that it may be human- centric to assume that because other mammals don't have the same brain, they don't seek pleasure.

                I think we're uncomfortable as a species thinking we still have much in common with other mammals. That's all I'm saying, in my clumsy way. Sorry if I've offended anyone in saying it.

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                • #23
                  @LICNYCgay - how are you getting on with your experiment?

                  Agree we are animals - do a google on "dolphins puffer fish"

                  @ineverknew - great link, very useful and informative video presentation - like the way the argument is built to allow the foundation to see the importance of the rat and the lever experiment discussed in part 2.

                  First reaction - between us, we need to demonstrate more intelligence than the rat!

                  By part 4, I was beginning to think, but something else must be happening in Aneros usage as we experience it because the pleasure does not decrease, there doesn't seem to be a numbing of the pleasure response - there's a point where you don't need visual stimulation anymore (seem to get past the need for novelty, could / do use Aneros in the dark) - like you leap into the opiate circuit he mentioned earlier (part 1) and can stay there, extracting more and more pleasure without necessarily dulling the dopamine circuit as in the addictions he is referring to.

                  Part 6 - is he recommending masturbation in the dark? LOL

                  Interestingly for me from what is expressed in this video overall - Aneros usage does not seem to fit neatly into an addictive scenario - eventually all users seem to end up experiencing an auto-masturbation of their anal canal and prostate Aneroslessly and it is life affirming and makes the whole of sensory experience more rewarding and engaging.

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                  • #24
                    @hapticbear, I posted the your brain on porn thing not for people who are addicted to aneros use,though that could happen, but more for people who get desensitized to porn and end up getting addicted to that in general. I think the video series also points out how an addiction to porn can change your brain chemistry and eventually what you find arousing in strange ways. For example most start out watching soft core porn and then move up to hard core, then on into stranger kinks and all because your feeding that dopamine rush. Its kinda scary when you read of adults in their twenties who have ED because they can only masturbate to internet porn. Its obviously a growing problem but most dont realize that they are actually addicted.

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                    • #25
                      @ineverknew, yes fully appreciate your original motive, it just struck me that given the arguments he makes it would be difficult to frame Aneros usage as addictive - I guess it's part of my personal acceptance of Aneros usage to place it in an 'adaptive' rather than 'addictive' framing - this video put me more at ease with that position.

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                      • #26
                        Maybe part of the reason aneros use doesn't dull our pleasure center so much is because of the brain making new paths throughout the journey? While porn is the same thing over and over: visual stimulation with every single picture, but with perhaps a hundred or more pictures per session, and thus a hundred or more hits on the same neural path way, I can see how people can numb their sexual response. With aneros use, at least we limit ourselves to an extent, maybe once every couple of days, more or less depending on the person.

                        On the subject of porn addiction/recovery though, I quit months ago, but ended up trying to use it again in limited amounts, like once a month. I ended up doing once every two weeks, then once a week, but now I'm quitting for good... no more at all. I think if you put a limit on it, you keep thinking about the next time you get to do it. I heard something about how the brain works, "it uses it or loses it." I think even spaced repetition still keeps the addiction alive.


                        I remember one time after quitting the first time, masturbating to porn, I got to orgasm and closed my eyes and focused on the feelings before realizing I wasn't looking at the picture. When I look at porn, sometimes I get hung on looking for the right picture to finish to for several minutes. I want to get back to that point, just focusing on the feelings and not worrying about pictures. And besides, last time I masturbated to porn was pretty underwhelming. I figure it was because my brain just wanted to look at the pictures, and I wasn't ready to masturbate yet. Now if I ever feel the urge to look at porn, I just remember how lackluster that last session was, and now I haven't had the urge lately at all.

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