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  • #16
    OhhhYes indeed! I was brought up a Roman Catholic in Ireland . My first experience was a dry orgasm at the age if 13. I had been washing "it" and suddenly it happened. Standing up much harder and pumping out nothing for several seconds. I was terrified. I had committed my first mortal sin. Some time later it happened again and I went to confession. I remember telling the priest I had committed the sin of "self-abuse". He was really severe and I received the admonishment and penance. That awful term, "self-abuse" was a heavily guilt loaded concept. This horrid sin would undermine my intellect and weaken my personality. Others would see it in my furtive hesitant looks. It would become a hardened habit that would become a soul -destroying obsession.

    I spent years in fear of eternal damnation. We were taught in those days to dwell on the concept of "Hell for all eternity". I well remember the awful stern voice of the priest at the men's retreat (a week of nightly sermons), proclaiming loudly.that "....Souls were dropping into Hell fire as leaves from the Autunm trees all because of sins of impurity?"

    "Masturbation" is a horrid word with undertones of secret, hiding, shameful, and unmanly lurking in it's essence. Now "wanking" is somewhat funny and has some humour in it. A female friend and I were visiting a seaside place once, a place of my childhood where I had wandered about the rocks and pools alone by day. Coming to a secluded spot, I said to her. "See down there, that's where I often went and wanked myself silly for hours". She went into fits of laughter which continued to erupt every now and then for several days!. I'd say "What now?" "You!" she'd say, "The thought of you wanking yourself silly!!!!

    I now use the term "pleasuring myself" and relish the idea and bask in the warm sweetness of those delightful feelings.


    • #17
      Varmint - what "negative connotations" are you referring to?


      • #18
        There's good reason why almost all religions are 'down on spilling your seed' and 'a man must not lay as a woman' mentality..... They (the religion and it's leadership) need more canon fodder. It's that simple.

        They stipulate that any sexual act MUST be for making babies (ergo: more new people that are brainwashed into that religion). Most religions are about controlling large masses of people which wields a lot of political power over the so called secular politicians. The larger the mass, the larger the influence.

        Most religions talk about some sort of god and afterlife that one needs to adhere to a strict code of conduct or else they end up going to some type of eternal torture, And yet many of these religions avoid talking about real spirituality and wonder... it's all about business and guilt slinging.

        Let's face it, 'a man must not lay as a woman', has more meaning than the homosexuality aspect.... Statistically speaking it might be shown that with a man on top (missionary position) that the likelihood of a woman's impregnation is higher than if the situation is reversed. "God forbid" one's horneyness should be shared with someone of the same (and unfertilized) sex or even worse, selfishly saving it for a solo.

        Any one remember the Python skit about Every Sperm Is Sacred?

        Is having a hands free Aneros session masturbation? Looking at the larger picture, it really doesn't matter!



        • #19
          What a great thread. I've been enjoying reading everyones posts here.

          Even though I was not traditionally brought up in a repressive religion, I believe my parents Catholic upbringing leftovers, and also general USA puritanical cultural training spilled over into me as a child. So reading these posts has made me continue to ponder my own guilt and shame issues concerning my sexuality and experience around it. Good stuff to eventually work past it. Why should we be ashamed of the natural and normal needs and desires that everyone experiences in their bodies?

          Certainly easier to ask, than to actually remove the shame and guilt part. That takes time and likely self love and acceptance.


          • #20
            The real question to ask is:
            Not is it right or wrong, but does it work or not.
            That is does it benefit you, does it benefit other people?
            Funnily enough masturbation ticks all the boxes.
            A happier and healthier self a more contented and healthier society.
            Religion would be group celebration of life (I don't mean group masturbation!). The Aneros is a multi purpose tool to assist us to be whole males.


            • #21
              Here we go again with a "religious" thread in a site devoted to male sexual self-pleasure.I hope nobody gets mad at me for responding directly on this topic.

              I can identify with many of those who say they were raised to feel a lot of guilt about masturbating. Although I wasn
              t raised in a very religious home and my dad gave me complete freedom to masturbate as a teen, I became an Evangelical Christian in my later teens...and now hold the position the Bible (and God) have NOTHING to say about the subject, other than asking us to abstain from lust (i.e. mental imagery, fantasy, pornography and other related practices) in the process of enjoying sexual pleasure as an individual. In other words, I don't think God cares if we wank or not.

              It's been said that 95% of all men masturbate and the other 5% lie about it. In my experience, this is true. As a married man, I hold to the Biblical view that my body is not my own but belongs to my wife for her pleasure and her body belongs to me for my pleasure. This is what the Bible actually teaches Christians...that we should not deny one another sexually in marriage but should enjoy ourselves in the fullest sexual sense. We are instructed not to abstain from pleasuring one another sexually except for a short time for the purpose of prayer and fasting. Sexual pleasure in a Christian marriage is to be the norm. The Christian life is to be filled with sexual pleasure, not just for the procreation of children, but to glue a man and wife together and to enjoy one another's bodies in every sense.

              The passage most often sited to prohibit masturbation comes from the Old Testament and deals with a man who engaged in intercourse with his dead brother's wife and as he ejaculated, pulled out and "spilled his seed" on the ground. The Bible says God was displeased and killed the man. Why? Because he spilled his cum on the ground? No. He was killed because he was refusing his responsibility, according to the custom of the time, to raise up children for his deceased brother. He was using his brother's wife to get his rocks off, unwilling to fulfill his duty. It had nothing to do with his sexual pleasuring himself and everything to do with his selfish self-gratification.

              That is a principle for those of us who are married to follow...we should not be seeking to gratify ourselves at the exclusion of our spouses. You don't need to buy into Christian values and morals to know this is a good principle to live by. Those who seek exclusively their own pleasure aren't mature enough for a relationship with another person.

              After becoming a Christian, I became involved in a Christian group where masturbation was frowned upon as sinful, but not what we would call a mortal sin. As time went on, it became clear I could not successfully overcome my desire to masturbate. Everywhere I went, there my penis was and it felt so good to rub one out. And I truly could masturbate without fantasizing about another person, just focusing on the good feelings in my penis.. Most other Christian men I know will admit, in very private and unguarded moments, they masturbate.

              At one point, I decided that I was not going to live in guilt, that I would probably continue to masturbate the rest of my life but that I would also still always enjoy sex with my spouse and that God was not too concerned about this. I have two sons, one now married and another a teen and I have raised them to never feel ashamed about their sexual urges and masturbating. I've encouraged them to learn while masturbating to prolong their orgasm to they can enjoy even greater sexual pleasure with their spouse. The only thing I've asked is what I believe God abstain from sex with another person prior to marriage and to avoid fantasy, lust and pornography. I think this is what a loving and Christian dad should do...endorse his children's sexuality but give them loving guidelines.

              Although I always enjoy sex with my wife, I have to admit sometimes I just enjoy squeezing one out on my own. And since I discovered the Aneros, I've been able to enjoy multiple orgasms without the refractory period at the end of a traditional ejaculatory orgasm and as a result, I'm hornier for sex with my wife after many Aneros sessions. Honestly, I think if more Christian men embraced their sexuality and discussed it more openly, as is done on this forum, there would be less stories of Christian men's sexual failings in the news. We can deny our sexual urges all we want, but it never minimizes them. It only, in fact, makes them stronger.

              So, yes, using an Aneros is masturbating but so what? If you are single, masturbation is a great, harmless way to explore your body and practice extending your pleasure so you can extend the pleasure of your spouse someday. And, you won"t get someone pregnant, won't get an STD and you won't be violating any law of God. And, if you're married, as long as you're fulfilling your commitment to your spouse, whack away.

              Okay, feel free to slam me for my blatant religious views now.


              • #22
                Masturbation (including our new broader definition of it to include the aneros and other MMO practices) is entirely normal, and should be without guilt. I would say that there is nothing wrong with fantasies either - since what one thinks is not necessarily the same as what one does. Knowing the difference is an important lesson in life, and to shy away from what one thinks is to reduce the chances of learning that lesson.

                Religion has always sought to repress human sexuality, partly because if we were to follow our pre-religious (innate) urges, it is quite likely that everything would appear rather chaotic. For example, there would be no way to know for sure the paternity of children, and therefore rights of inheritance. Religions knew early on, that in order to control humanity, one had to put a chain on sexuality. Severe strictures were required in an effort to prevent our innate urges, which just goes to show that they are STRONG urges, and when people inevitably transgressed, they then felt guilty. Guilt is also passed on to one's children, and even if you don't share your parent's religious views, you are likely to inherit their lack of ease over matters sexual.

                The nonsense of it all is summed up neatly by the severely mixed up Leviticus:

                "Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is apart for her uncleanness," - which basically means - Don't even look at a menstruating woman. 18:19 - OK guys - time to start feeling guilty once a month for just looking at your female partners while they are menstruating - and what about other women?????? Using the bible to inform one's morals is at best, a bit "pick and mix".

                Our urges and indeed our entire sexualities are not some evolutionary bad joke either. They evolved for a reason. They are innate to who we are as human beings, and to try to pervert them can only have negative consequences for psychological health and happiness. They have a purpose, that I am only now beginning to comprehend.

                So masturbate away guys (including aneros and MMO practises) in a guilt-free way.

                Surely guilt in any form is a hindrance to aneros practice - "mind noise" and all that?


                • #23
                  This is just an argument of definitions.
                  I find it very interesting that in a forum where the line of "don't get hung up on the definition/label" is said a lot, that the label of masturbation would mean anything.

                  I don't think it really matters. I don't have any negative connotation to the word Masturbation. I agree with @Linum in that its completely normal and there's nothing to be ashamed of.

                  But if you have to know, I do consider using the Aneros masturbation because its solo sexual stimulation. Yes its not really "manual" in the traditional sense, but your body is still working on itself to please itself, although your internal muscles are being used instead of your hand and arm.
                  Even taking it a bit further though, Would you define using a vibrator or e-stim masturbation even if the device is doing most of the "work"? I still would.

                  But what does it matter? Stop getting hung up on irrational cultural taboos on a completely normal, natural, safe and harmless activity. Of course the old saying about "too much of anything" still can apply, but If you can avoid addiction, then you're good!


                  • #24
                    Thanks for your comments Zoop.

                    The only area where I disagree (because I get hung up on definitions - outside my aneros sessions - lol) is that one can masturbate another man (or a woman) - and so it isn't strictly a solo activity - although most people might refer to that as sex, and indeed it can be a part of that. With some gay men however, mutual wanking or masturbation can occur in the absence of any other sexual interaction (not that this is my thing you understand).


                    • #25
                      Did you hear about this 'dreadful' addiction that many suffer from, it wastes on average up to 30 hours of your life a week and some say it makes you go blind in the end!

                      Yes watching TV, it must be true I saw it on a TV documentary.

                      Anyway I think I've found a cure, if you MASTURBATE at least 4 hours a day you become completely immune to this addiction.

                      Merry Christmas,


                      • #26
                        Who cares? It is or it isn't. Doesn't matter. It's about pleasure and freedom.

                        If they're right, I'm going to hell anyway, so fuck 'em.

                        If they're wrong, and, of course, they are, how much poorer would our lives be by living without Aneros and/or masturbation?

                        Merry Christmas, boys. YOU are a gift that keeps on giving.