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  • #16
    I'd just like to share my appreciation for Aneros Support's extremely level-headed, mature, and reasonable discourse. In a world where corporate-speak is expected to obfuscate, here is a positive example.
    Thanks.
    QV

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    • #17
      I participate in a few other (totally unrelated) forums. I have to say I've been impressed by just how level headed and constructive the vast majority of the posts have been here and by how tolerant the moderators have been. Maybe there is something about the personal nature of the discussion that self selects towards posters who are more open minded (let's face it, going on the internet to post that you shove things where????!!!! requires a degree of open mindedness...)

      There is only 1 user I have ever felt the need to add to my ignore list, but that is a feature of the forum I greatly appreciated.

      I had noticed the lack of recent posts from female members, but hadn't put two+two together. I hope the discussion of couples practices can grow from both sides.

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      • #18
        Aneros made the right decision.

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        • #19
          I am somewhat saddened to see him go; he was always a bit of a provocateur, but unfortunately, his ribald sense of how things are and his way of making a point finally got the better of him.

          He needs a good woman to help him get things into perspective. I wish him nothing but the best.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Nirwananeros
            I'll probably get banned for this as well, but if freedom of speech isn't allowed on this forum I have no place on it anyhow.
            .
            "Nirwananeros" /
            Helixer,


            As someone who
            has created a fair amount of content here, I must say that I have become increasingly concerned with the tone of your threads for some time now. In addition I have become alarmed at the way that you have you co-opt the threads of others, ignoring the original topic in favor of a regurgitation of your views, views that have been aired countless times before. As one who has been here from the beginning I can tell you that this forum has been built on a strong foundation of inclusiveness and civility....values that you have chosen to reject.

            While the manufacturer has sponsored this place for us, it is the quality of the people here.....the membership, that have been responsible for making the Aneros forum the unique place that it is.

            As Rumel stated, the owner's of this site have shown unusual restraint in dealing with you. I assume this was done in consideration for the valuable content that you have generated in the past. But with all things there are limits. From what I understand you have been asked to tone down your rhetoric on numerous occasions and agreed to do so only to ramp it up in ever increasing levels of intensity. It appears like you can't help yourself....just as you couldn't resist taking swipes at
            Nurselady in this thread. The truth is, you certainly can't be surprised or shocked that this step has been taken, you were repeatedly warned of the consequences if you persisted on this course. Up until now the community has policed itself. This is the first and only incidence of banishment that has occurred here. Given what I've witnessed I believe it to be justified.

            With respect to being "banned as well"....yes, this is true, as you Helixer and Nirwananeros are undoubtedly one in the same person.



            BF Mayfield

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nirwananeros
              If it was for personal attacks, Polecat and imp would be prime suspects. Looking thru their posts they never came up with a new topic or interesting new insights, their sole contribution has been to criticize others.
              Here's all my posts, could you please point out to me in which of these posts I personally attacked anyone? Even one!
              4/28/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/worry...523/#post97531
              4/20/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/hulk-...537/#post97379
              4/5/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/anero...510/#post97013
              4/5/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/do-yo...509/#post97012
              4/1/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/preca...483/#post96888
              3/27/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/calli...411/#post96672
              3/12/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/over-...418/#post96235
              2/14/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/ot-ma...353/#post95600
              2/7/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/ot-fo...325/#post95365
              2/1/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/do-wo...298/#post95089
              1/28/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/we-re...280/#post94936
              1/25/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/belie...264/#post94829
              1/19/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/there...250/#post94669
              12/20/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/i-thi...110/#post93588
              12/20/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/i-thi...110/#post93585
              10/14/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/does-...882/#post91781
              9/30/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/best-...846/#post91418
              9/4/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/adult...738/#post90793
              8/16/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/anero...725/#post90260
              8/15/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/anero...725/#post90226
              6/21/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/anero...535/#post89236
              5/31/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/anero...535/#post88800
              4/23/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/semi-...440/#post88007
              12/31/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/my-pr...938/#post84550
              12/10/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/types...868/#post83934
              9/8/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/any-y...262/#post81645
              9/2/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/relax...513/#post81496
              7/17/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/many-...365/#post80293
              6/6/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/cummi...html#post79482
              5/11/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/anero...181/#post78913
              4/30/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/never...132/#post78617
              4/7/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/ever-...074/#post78130
              3/24/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/pleas...014/#post77697
              3/11/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/what-...967/#post77381

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              • #22
                I have only once authored a thread on this forum. Its purpose was to suggest that Aneros devices should be allowed to work their magic without resort to mind altering drugs.
                Since I admitted to taking medications to control blood pressure, I was labelled and named by Helixer as a hypocrite. Following his post to that effect, my thread was taken down and this left me scarred to the point that I was reluctant to make any further posts, let alone contribute to the discussion by contributing any further threads.
                Incidentally, I never did receive any explanation as to why my thread had been taken down.
                As a consequence, I felt I could not add posts to any threads to which this person had made a contribution. I have also continued to feel wary of contributing to any discussion that ventured beyond the purely physical aspects of Aneros use for fear of being further attacked by him. I must say I am glad he has gone. If he has reappeared under the under the name of “Nirananeros”, I will continue to be wary!
                I do believe that his suggestion that rape should be legalised is reason enough to have him removed from this forum!

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                • #23
                  Well it has been an interesting day !

                  The Helixer becomes the first member to be banned then he appears to reappear as Nirwananeros.

                  I will cry no tears for the banishment of Helixer.
                  He launched a bitter personal attack against my wife, her son and myself.
                  I am sorry that the situation had arisen but the outcome was long overdue.

                  Thank you Nurselady for pointing out the Avatar similarity.
                  Yes Pommie, continue to be wary.
                  I avoided as best I could to read anything posted by Helixer for a long time.

                  As to the original question of when a menber should be banned/ shunned/sent to Coventry
                  The answer should be when they lose your respect.

                  I am off for a break for a few days.
                  Enjoy your weekend Gentlemen.

                  P.S. Support can you remove Helixers avatar.
                  I am sure that MLK must be turning in his grave.

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                  • #24
                    Hello Aneros Forum Members,

                    In almost 10 years the forum has been in existence, we've never had to ban any community member. That has been a source of pride for us here at the company.

                    Unfortunately, Helixer (and his other monikers) is the first.

                    We have had many complaints over the past year about *what* Helixer views are. We had less a problem with his ideas (skewed as they are) but had more of an issue of how he chose to make his points, to be specific, his choice of words.

                    For example:

                    "My take is if women must continue the pointless cycle of crapping out kiddies let them please pay topdollar for the sperm, 100.000 would be a good price to start the bidding"

                    This is just one of many examples. Any every time he wrote something like this, there we would initiate what would end up being a back and forth dialogue via private message with us and him explaining why he needed to choose different words to get his points across.

                    There was period of time when this tactic worked and he acted like the productive, creative member that we hoped he would be, but recently he had started to regress, and we don't have time anymore to spend a considerable amount of time drafting messages every time he toes the line.

                    We will say that for a long time we wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. It was a bit difficult because he would craft his words and arguments in a way where he wouldn't directly say "I hate women" but it was easy to connect the dots. He would come back and argue that he's not anti-women, he's pro-man. And again, we would say fine, then construct your arguments in a way that will make people at least consider what you are saying.

                    It's been a cumulative effect, but this time his text "You're right, time we get rape legalized." clearly went over the line and this sentence alone taken in a vacuum made it an easy decision to remove him, despite it ending the forum's decade-long no-ban streak. So Helixer, congratulations, you did it, you are the first.

                    Over the last few years Helixer has made some really great and interesting posts but his ill-worded posts and thinly veiled insults towards other members constantly forced us to balance the freedom to let him as an individual express himself with the possible damage done to the well-being of the greater well-being of the community, especially for new members joining every day.

                    Imagine someone visiting the forum for the first time and you read the thread with the rape line. It certainly would be a turn-off and despite the fact that his ideas are not representative of all the wonderful discussions we have here, it would cause casual visitors to the forum to never come back.

                    We want everyone, even those who are "out of the box thinkers" like Helixer to feel like he/she has a voice here. But there is an acceptable way to conduct yourself and an unacceptable one. He unfortunately has conducted himself often enough and severely enough in an ill manner to warrant his removal.

                    So we hope this gives everyone some insight into the thought process behind his banning. Thank you Rumel for re-posting our past response in reference to thread removals. Those guidelines are still current as of today. Happy posting everyone!

                    Aneros Support

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                    • #25
                      Wow. I didn't realize he stepped that far off the reservation. I hadn't read his responses in a while because he seemed to be getting more and more off the wall, and his ramblings/tirades more morose and verbose, and I didn't want to waste my time reading something that was no longer amusing, insightful or thought-provoking; it was just bellicose. It does seem to me that he should get some help in dealing with his apparent misogynism. I wish him the best.

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                      • #26
                        Hi All.

                        Well it appears that the inevitable has happened. Have not been able to do more than quickly pop in lately. I hope we can all move on. I too hope that women and couples here will post more, and more freely.

                        My own take is that there is worth in that tortured consciousness and on occasion he would seem to be settling down and finding positive things to focus on here. I tried repeatedly to gain civil and more flexible conversations with him. Yet always the return to the rants. The man needs significant professional help. I hope he can get to it.

                        all the hope that the joy and light of this energies revealing practice can bring lasting perspectives of pleasures, ecstasies and the energies of universal love solo and/or partnered all

                        artform

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by support
                          Hello Aneros Forum Members,

                          In almost 10 years the forum has been in existence, we've never had to ban any community member. That has been a source of pride for us here at the company.

                          Unfortunately, Helixer (and his other monikers) is the first.

                          We have had many complaints over the past year about *what* Helixer views are. We had less a problem with his ideas (skewed as they are) but had more of an issue of how he chose to make his points, to be specific, his choice of words.

                          For example:

                          "My take is if women must continue the pointless cycle of crapping out kiddies let them please pay topdollar for the sperm, 100.000 would be a good price to start the bidding"

                          This is just one of many examples. Any every time he wrote something like this, there we would initiate what would end up being a back and forth dialogue via private message with us and him explaining why he needed to choose different words to get his points across.

                          There was period of time when this tactic worked and he acted like the productive, creative member that we hoped he would be, but recently he had started to regress, and we don't have time anymore to spend a considerable amount of time drafting messages every time he toes the line.

                          We will say that for a long time we wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. It was a bit difficult because he would craft his words and arguments in a way where he wouldn't directly say "I hate women" but it was easy to connect the dots. He would come back and argue that he's not anti-women, he's pro-man. And again, we would say fine, then construct your arguments in a way that will make people at least consider what you are saying.

                          It's been a cumulative effect, but this time his text "You're right, time we get rape legalized." clearly went over the line and this sentence alone taken in a vacuum made it an easy decision to remove him, despite it ending the forum's decade-long no-ban streak. So Helixer, congratulations, you did it, you are the first.

                          Over the last few years Helixer has made some really great and interesting posts but his ill-worded posts and thinly veiled insults towards other members constantly forced us to balance the freedom to let him as an individual express himself with the possible damage done to the well-being of the greater well-being of the community, especially for new members joining every day.

                          Imagine someone visiting the forum for the first time and you read the thread with the rape line. It certainly would be a turn-off and despite the fact that his ideas are not representative of all the wonderful discussions we have here, it would cause casual visitors to the forum to never come back.

                          We want everyone, even those who are "out of the box thinkers" like Helixer to feel like he/she has a voice here. But there is an acceptable way to conduct yourself and an unacceptable one. He unfortunately has conducted himself often enough and severely enough in an ill manner to warrant his removal.

                          So we hope this gives everyone some insight into the thought process behind his banning. Thank you Rumel for re-posting our past response in reference to thread removals. Those guidelines are still current as of today. Happy posting everyone!

                          Aneros Support
                          We'll i am glad he got banned he sounds like a blinking idiot excuse my language but if someone is going to talk about women in that manner
                          like that then they deserve to be banned, it seems like Helixer had some sort of hatred towards women which caused him to speak in this disgusting derogatory manner about women he is obviously a very sick man who needs serious help so i hope he gets and i hope i never see him on this forum ever again god riddens to you mate congratulations you succeeded in pissing everyone off and getiing yourself banned as the first member ever here on this forum give yourself a pat on the back why dont you idiot.

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                          • #28
                            ok so we all know Helixer got banned.

                            Although I cant say I agree with all of his views and I often disagree with him,
                            I do think he was a major contributor to the forum. I also think he did have a lot of creative ideas and input that has helped others.
                            I find his idealogy very thought provoking and interesting at times to say the least. Again I disagree with a lot of it, and some of the other stuff is too theoretical I think for me to either agree or disagree on.
                            Basically I think the good he brought to this forum far outweighed the bad.
                            Yes he did write in a sometimes offensive manner(more on this later), yes he did at times seem to get off topic on some threads and delve into his own ideology
                            But I really dont think the forum will be the same without him, maybe we can give him another chance
                            I also find it hard to believe that he a sole individual would prevent women and couples from posting just because of his views. I mean I disagreed with him on some points in the thread that he got banned in and I had no problem posting how my ideas differed from his own.
                            I also think that some of the more intense stuff he said came off to me at least tongue in cheek rather then serious ie the rape comment
                            But its a forum and its really impossible to tell the tone of an individuals words, thus I think a lot of what he said would in fact come off as potentially offensive
                            So yes if he is allowed back I do think he should change the way he says things and some of the things he writes.

                            Just my opinion

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                            • #29
                              nervetweak,

                              I am somewhat reluctant to respond to your post as you are a more veteran member of this Forum than I, but I feel compelled to express some information of which you may be unaware. From the very beginning of 'Helixer's membership there has existed an antagonistic edge to his writing and this is something 'B Mayfield' and I have discussed privately and been concerned with over the intervening years. I have also had PM discussions with 'Helixer' in an attempt to get him to tone down his rhetoric to no avail. I am not going to go into detail here about those communications but suffice it to say he was well informed about the turmoil and consternation he was causing for many members of this Forum, to the point that some stopped posting.

                              Originally posted by nervetweak
                              Although I cant say I agree with all of his views and I often disagree with him, I do think he was a major contributor to the forum. I also think he did have a lot of creative ideas and input that has helped others.
                              I agree with you here but 'Helixer' also had some ideas which, if followed, could have negative consequences. His hinted advocacy of permissive pedophilia, piracy of intellectual property, religious bigotry and finally endorsement of rape just are not, IMO, appropriate topics for this Forum, nor should proselytizing of these concepts be permitted. Freedom of speech does not include the right to falsely yell "FIRE" in a crowd, nor does it permit one to libel or slander others. Some of his repeated postings could even be considered seditious.
                              I find his idealogy very thought provoking and interesting at times to say the least. Again I disagree with a lot of it, and some of the other stuff is too theoretical I think for me to either agree or disagree on.
                              "..,creative ideas..." "...thought provoking and interesting at times...", yes true, but then so were the manifestos of the Marquis de Sade or the Unabomber, creative minds do not always work for the betterment of their fellow human beings, both male and female.
                              Basically I think the good he brought to this forum far outweighed the bad.
                              Here I need to disagree with you, but I won't stoop to belittle you just because I disagree. I think it will take a long time for the negativity expressed in 'Helixer's posts to be dissipated by counterbalancing positive posts.
                              Yes he did write in a sometimes offensive manner(more on this later), yes he did at times seem to get off topic on some threads and delve into his own ideology. But I really dont think the forum will be the same without him, maybe we can give him another chance.
                              I agree the Forum won't be the same without 'Helixer' , it will be better and he has already had more than enough chances to prove his worth.
                              I also find it hard to believe that he a sole individual would prevent women and couples from posting just because of his views. I mean I disagreed with him on some points in the thread that he got banned in and I had no problem posting how my ideas differed from his own.
                              While it is true 'Helixer' did not "prevent" anyone from posting, his antagonistic style stifled open responses and this was expressed to me in numerous PM's from various members. 'Nurselady' only spoke up AFTER 'Helixer' had been banned, so it is obvious his presence was having a depressing effect on open dialogue, you just weren't seeing it. I stopped responding to any of 'Helixer's posts more than a year ago because I knew it was a waste of my time to attempt a rational dialogue with him. I have to salute 'artform' for his genuine ongoing efforts to keep 'Helixer' engaged in a caring manner, but even that proved fruitless.
                              I also think that some of the more intense stuff he said came off to me at least tongue in cheek rather then serious ie the rape comment.
                              Yes there were a few instances wherein his text had an ironic tone but all the male supremacy and anti-female rhetoric in so many previous posts belied the rape statement as more than "...tongue in cheek", this was a serious statement.
                              But its a forum and its really impossible to tell the tone of an individuals words, thus I think a lot of what he said would in fact come off as potentially offensive. So yes if he is allowed back I do think he should change the way he says things and some of the things he writes.
                              Just my opinion
                              Yes, I agree it is difficult to tell the tone of an individuals words just from the printed text, in a face to face oral exchange most of the communicated meaning is contained in the non-verbal information being exchanged, not in the actual words being used. However, in 'Helixer's case, he said he took a great deal of pride and effort crafting the words used in his posts, if this is true then we must construe the meanings in a literal manner. It is my understanding that 'Aneros Support' made numerous overtures to 'Helixer' imploring him to alter his presentation style so that his message could be more readily understood and accepted by the readership. He has already had numerous chances to have his standing in the Forum improved and he did not avail himself of those opportunities. IMHO, granting further chances to establish any credibility would be frustratingly futile and of no service to the Forum. We will be better served without the presence of disruptive, antagonistic, misogynistic posters who seek to demean all people with differing viewpoints than their own.
                              rumel

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                              • #30
                                i don't think that bears re-posting.

                                all i can say is "good riddance."

                                luckily, this is a private forum where there is an extremely sensible and tolerant moderator. with the exception of helixer, my experience has been that everybody, and i mean everybody, has been civil, mature and interesting. helixer's posts were 15% on-topic and 85% antagonistic dribble. it used to be the other way around. somewhere about a year ago i wrote on one of his threads something like "i used to find your posts interesting, now i don't even bother to read them."

                                i count myself among the people he incidently insulted (more then once), not that the insults of an unhinged post matter. (i agree with those who think he probably needs some counseling. the idea of cutting and pasting the above junk is sad.)

                                there isn't much use in continuing this debate. the guy wasted support's time and polluted the forum. we have more important things to do here. i cringe at the possibility of a newbie coming here to learn, landing first on one of helixer's threads, and fleeing with a dramatically wrong impression about this forum.

                                singleuser, whoever you are, there has never been the first suggestion that single men are unwelcome. That is just nuts, as they participate daily in almost all of the threads.

                                darwin

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