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    Hello, all.

    Looks like one of our more frequent posters, "Helixer" just got banned from this site.

    For the record, I'd like to say that I couldn't have disagreed more with the vast majority of what that guy posted. Could be, I'm his polar opposite.

    Since I've only been here about 6 months, I don't have much of an idea about what it takes to get yourself booted out. There doesn't seem to be a list of Forum Rules anywhere on this site, though I might have missed it. Some of the actions I would expect to cause eviction are, hate speech, personal attacks on another member, off-topic posts, political or religious diatribes, commercial product promotions, and anti-Aneros rants. Correct?

    Cheers,

    Dave

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    Originally posted by ten_s_nut
    Hello, all.

    Looks like one of our more frequent posters, "Helixer" just got banned from this site.

    For the record, I'd like to say that I couldn't have disagreed more with the vast majority of what that guy posted. Could be, I'm his polar opposite.

    Since I've only been here about 6 months, I don't have much of an idea about what it takes to get yourself booted out. There doesn't seem to be a list of Forum Rules anywhere on this site, though I might have missed it. Some of the actions I would expect to cause eviction are, hate speech, personal attacks on another member, off-topic posts, political or religious diatribes, commercial product promotions, and anti-Aneros rants. Correct?

    Cheers,

    Dave
    Yeah I have slowly been noticing his remarks, its fsair enough to have veiws but if they are like that dont push them onto people, to be honest if thats how he lives his life he is missing out

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    • #3
      There doesn't seem to be a list of Forum Rules anywhere on this site, though I might have missed it. Some of the actions I would expect to cause eviction are, hate speech, personal attacks on another member, off-topic posts, political or religious diatribes, commercial product promotions, and anti-Aneros rants. Correct?
      So why did Helixer get banned?

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      • #4
        ten_s_nut,

        When I first joined this Forum (2007) there were stated conditions for membership to which we all had to agree to join. 'Helixer', (join date Sep 2008) was subject to those same conditions. Here is a copy of that agreement -

        "The Aneros Forums, Blogs and Aneros Chat Center are provided as services to the users of our products. Note: By pressing the button you declare that you are over the age of 18.

        From time to time we at Aneros will take a look at the messages being posted and also attempt to answer questions directed directly to Aneros as well. Please remember that we at Aneros are ultimately not responsible for any of the messages posted. We cannot confirm the validity and accuracy of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Aneros. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact us immediately by email. We have the ability to remove objectionable messages and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, so please realize that we may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately.

        You agree, through your use of these services, that you will not use the Forums, Blogs and Chat Center to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, hateful, harassing, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post irrelevant or non-constructive content that adds no value to the discussion or forum. You agree not to post sexual, ethnic, racial, or other discriminating slurs. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by Aneros. Any posts that are blatant promotion of other products may also be removed at our discretion.

        Although Aneros has no obligation to do so, Aneros reserves the right to delete portions of or entire posts that violate the above rules for any reason or no reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless Aneros with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your messages(s).

        Please note that advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are inappropriate on the Aneros Forum."


        IMHO, the Aneros Company has shown remarkable restraint in exercising any forms of censorship on this Forum. As you can see from the above "...hate speech, personal attacks on another member, off-topic posts, political or religious diatribes, commercial product promotions..." are all inappropriate topics and subject to intervening action by Aneros. It is noteworthy that "...anti-Aneros rants" are NOT listed and there are a few existing posts of such nature on this Forum. This indicates a high degree of confidence in the quality of their (Aneros) products to allow even negative opinions to exist here. In one of the rare instances of thread deletion Aneros Support posted the following -

        "Hello Aneros Forum Members,

        From its humble beginnings as a guestbook, the Aneros Forum was created as a place to simply discuss all things related to the Aneros and prostate massage. The greatest thing about the Forum is the community - the Aneros Forum has always been an arena for intelligent, creative, and open-minded discussion supported by the most amazing user community around.

        Helixer has raised some questions that we'll attempt to clear up here.

        We will start by saying that one of the posts he refers to was mistakenly deleted instead of having just having an explicit pornographic picture removed. The words have been restored, but picture has been removed. His was not singled out. There are other forums for these types of pictures, but we've never encouraged them to be added here.

        Now onto to the topic of removed threads/posts. There are very few reasons why a post or thread would be removed.

        The first reason is a mention/promotion of a patent-infringing product or company that produce patent-infringing products. Members will see discussions about products like the Prostate Cradle and Rude Boy scattered throughout the forum. The Prostate Cradle is an original product built from a completely different idea from ours. The Rude Boy blurs the line a bit but their intention was to create something new. We welcome this kind of competition.

        So what is the big deal about "thou company that shall not be named?" "TCTSNBN" is a company that derived, not created, most of their products from ours. We believe they have stolen our ideas, and we are currently in litigation to legally establish this. We simply will not allow any posts, even negative ones, that will promote a company that creates infringing products. In fact, we've removed many posts that have stated how terrible their products are, and there have been plenty of those. They, and other companies like them, will not receive publicity of any kind on this forum.

        We have never claimed to hold a monopoly on prostate massage. Of course prostate massage has been around long before we came around. We simply are exercising our rights as the patent owners of an original to protect the considerable time and dollars we spent to create something wholly original. The idea for the Aneros did not come out of a Cracker Jack box.

        When our litigation is complete, we'll be happy to share the history and some details about the case. Our relationship with them goes back quite a ways. Until then, the policy is that discussions of patent-infringing products are not allowed on the forum. We hope you understand.

        Beyond this first reason when it comes to thread removal we'll go on a case-by-case basis. We've never had to do it until now. If we are going to set the criteria, a thread would have to have a combination of these qualities - off-topic, personal - politically motivated, extremely hostile in tone and verbage, or one which espouses an opinion that is so egregiously opposed to our core values that it should be removed. At Aneros we are a very tolerant bunch of folks, so it would have to be something very particular.

        The thread that was recently removed fell into these categories, and unfortunately that was the recent poll about the values of intellectual property rights. First the thread was completely off-topic and not directly related to the Aneros or prostate massage. There are any number of places (personal blog, other forums) for the author to state these beliefs, not here. Aside from being off-topic it exhorted the virtues of piracy, suggesting that people obtain the Hypnaerosession this way. In light of our current litigation coupled with the fact that we know there was a huge time and energy spent by many of our community members to create the Hypnaerosession, though it was the first time we've had to do it in the 8 years the forum has been around, it was an easy decision to remove this thread. Rumel and 5 other of our forum members, in their spare time, busted their asses (pun intended) to create this recording for the benefit of the wider community. They are not going to wake up as millionaires (unless they already are) from the profits of the Hypnaerosession, so aside from the kind words for their efforts, please buy the CD or digital download and don't get a pirated version. They deserve to be compensated for their original, creative work. The rant about the merits of intellectual property rights undermines the creative spirit that we operate by.

        To address a couple of other points made in this thread directly:

        Helixer, if you are interested in other manufacturers, go to Google, go to Bing, and go visit their websites. And if it wasn't clear before, I hope you understand our position now on patent-infringing products.

        Mr7G, we appreciate the casino analogy, but the forum has never been about house rules. Our ligitation has forced us to add a caveat, but the tenets and spirit of the forum will always be the same - openness, tolerance, respect, intelligence, sharing.

        Waverider, you will find many posts in the forum that could be deemed by others to be "commercially threatening" to us. We have always welcomed any comments, positive or negative about our products and company. We have never censored these and never will. Our long-time members can vouch that this is the case. We've never removed them. Why? We believe in our products. Remember, we're the only manufacturer that offers any type of guarantee on their products.

        And actually, unless the post contains patent-infringing content, it would be difficult for us to find something "commercially threatening." We are very secure in what we do. And for the most part, we see very few vindictive posts (search on rayvega). Most of the posts that are negative are from frustated users who aren't seeing results as quick as they'd like or expect.

        We didn't create the forum as a marketing tool to sell more products. Of course we would love nothing more than to have everyone say the Aneros is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but this is not why we created the forum. The forum was created so that people have an avenue to share, seek advice and help each other out. It's as simple as that. It's particularly a great place for men who *are* getting frustated because they have the benefit of having thousands of our customers' experiences that their disposal. We know for many men the journey to the Super-O can be a long one (just ask Love_Is). Every journey is unique, and it could be one tidbit that a new user need that could trigger something to get him on the right path.
        The forum has organically grown into what we feel is the most unique forum of its kind. It's a place for potential customers to ask questions about the products. It's a place for new users to ask more experienced users for advice of all kind. It's a place for experienced users to discuss advanced topics. It's a place where folks can safely express themselves on topics that are very personal in nature. It's a unique, open place, and going around censoring and deleting posts and threads that didn't say "Aneros is the greatest" wouldn't make the forum feel very open.

        If you have been following this thread, we appreciate the time you spent in reading this post. We will keep this thread up for a day and then will be removing it. Thanks.

        Aneros Support"


        It seems pretty clear to me Aneros Support does not take action based on petty or trivial issues, nor did they take this most recent action of banning on a whim. 'Helixer' was well aware of his repeated violations of the membership agreement yet he continued to post in violation of that agreement. I believe that is the reason his posting privileges have been terminated.
        rumel

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        • #5
          @ Rumel I was searching thru Helixer's posts, I can't find any posts about that. Can you tell me when he posted this?

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          • #6
            Ten_s_nut,
            It has been awhile since I joined. However, I do recall a pop up box that stated some rules and what would be expected for posts. Defamatory, obscene, hate speech, and others. You must sign off on this to become a member. BTW, I believe I've seen that same picture (Nirwananeros) as used by Helixer. I've had a growing feeling for some time about this issue. I've hung around here for years and enjoy the banter and learning curve on this forum. I think you all are a great group of men, but Helixer's posts have made me reluctant to post. I think perhaps you will see more posts by couples and women if he indeed he has been removed.
            Nurselady

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            • #7
              @nurselady Yeah, I think the whole forum has been holding its breath for you to post. Now's your chance

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              • #8
                Really? How odd... the whole forum? lol That's funny. Thank you for your kind words. Everyone breathe EASY.

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                • #9
                  I'll probably get banned for this as well, but if freedom of speech isn't allowed on this forum I have no place on it anyhow.
                  If it was for personal attacks, Polecat and imp would be prime suspects. Looking thru their posts they never came up with a new topic or interesting new insights, their sole contribution has been to criticize others.
                  I can't say I agree with everything Helixer wrote, but I've benefitted greatly from some of his posts like his recent suggestion to use moans to amplify arousal and to activate the multi-orgasmic potential. I also downloaded the book he posted Awakening the Healing Energy which really helped my energywork.

                  IMO there's a lot to be learnt from an Aneros veteran like Helixer. I don't think he was a misogynist he just applied the concept of direct prostate stimulation(vs the traditionally indirect)to other areas, direct pleasure instead of indirect, man turning inside to discover what pleases him instead of what pleases her.

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                  • #10
                    nirwananeros-

                    Love your avatar!!

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                    • #11
                      But, what's done is done and now nurselady and the couples can finally talk about having sex, all this talk about Super O's and solo sex is simply revolting

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                      • #12
                        Thanks Bishop, that's me, boobcrazy!

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                        • #13
                          At last! This guy was an embarrassment.

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                          • #14
                            Sir,
                            I would disagree w/ you a bit on your reply. First, we all love our country and the right for freedom of speech. However, this forum is a private forum. There are rules on it for the masses to understand and follow. You have some great upsets it seems for Polecat and imp. However, there are many persons on this forum that offer many new topics each week. Some are questions, others may be experiences or just comments.
                            I would have to say, Helixer may have has a momentary comment that would be interesting and I could agree with on some level. The moans... sure, I can buy that post.
                            Nurselady
                            However there were many posts way over the top. You stated that Helixer was not mysogynist? Oh my! Dear, do yourself a favor and reread his many posts. I don't buy that one for a moment! I'm not EVEN going to go back thru the posts in this forum to copy quotes, etc. My time is way too worthy.

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                            • #15
                              Nurselady,

                              Thank you for confirming that which I have long suspected, namely that the misogynistic posts by some members such as 'Helixer' have a depressing effect on a woman's willingness to post here. It is an unfortunate consequence when a few antagonistic posters intimidate and stifle true open dialogue about the pleasure potential we all can experience by sharing our knowledge.

                              @Nirwananeros, of course you won't find "...any posts about that." , 'Helixer's original thread and Poll were deleted by 'Aneros Support', as noted in the quoted 'Aneros Support' post. I have no way of informing you when the posting occurred since the reference date was deleted along with the post. I copied the 'Aneros Support' post when I saw that it was going to be deleted along with the thread. I thought it was particularly well written and elegantly stated the concern the Aneros Company has for this Forum and some of the reasoning behind their editorial policy, so I wanted to preserve it for future reference.
                              rumel

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